What experiences early in your career most shaped the leader that you've become today?

Yeah, that's such a great question.

So for the sake of the audience, so I'm 73.

So we're talking about, we're going way back in time, way, way, way back in time.

But you know, it's my...

My career had been very, my first real job was I was a chef.

And there's no managing a chef.

I wonder if you could share an example where, you know, maybe it was a company that you worked for or one that you've worked with that believed that it had a sales problem, but the real issue was leadership.