um but can you talk about that vague you know i don't know if you want to be vague but or or go into it too much but the people who maybe like helped you get to where they are whether they're musicians or it's just a personal person in your life

I think the first person that I saw singing something like extreme metal was a video that I found of Holy Moses playing in a festival somewhere.

It was like my first attempt to use YouTube a long time ago.

And it was amazing because I had no idea this could happen.

You know, I was not into extreme metal at all.

I've never, you know, even I was listening to Guns N' Roses and I felt like this guy is horrible.

And then it became one of my favorite bands ever.

in the music field

What did he bring out of Blood Hunter that, that maybe hadn't been heard before?

I think, uh, in the beginning, we didn't realize how important it is to work with this kind of people, you know.

Because, uh, it's important to work with people that knows what they're doing, obviously.

But we felt like it was not the time because we were not ready for, for someone like him.

Uh, it was like a dream.

You know, obviously, you have some hopes and dreams for the future, and you would like to do some kind of stuff.

But when we started working on these new songs, we felt like this was the time because we feel like we raised the bar, right? It's this cliché, like the, the last album is always the best, but we feel like it's a, a very powerful album.

Diva, was music big in your house growing up?

Mm-hmm

... and you just put out some music and let's see what happens.

But then with time you start to feel like, okay, the next one has to be even better and better, and you raise the bar until that place that it's almost impossible to reach.

And with the previous one, Knowledge Was a Prize, we felt like it was too technical, probably difficult to get for some people because you need to invest a lot of time in listening to it, and this one is more accessible, I think.

It allows you to connect with the songs very easily from the very first seconds, and I think that was my biggest fear when we started writing these new songs.

Like, if we do another album, like, very difficult to listen to and needs a lot of time to, to dedicate.

And once we started to having a couple of songs, my feelings immediately changed.

And so is the song about just about war? Is it about a hidden meaning also?