Disintegration

New Order.

Um, a lot of The Cure, like Disintegration with The Cure.

Right.

So I wanted to kind of, I wanted the record to feel like it was a, like a dis- a distinct place where you walk through and you felt both of these things interacting with each other so that you could kind of get a sense of what we're losing and what we might be, where we might be headed towards, you know?

Oh, man.

Because I would go with Disintegration because Too Late is...

Too Late and Exploding Boy are two of my favorite B-sides.

So I'm like, is it Head on the Door or is it Disintegration? My two.

And I'm going to have to go with Head on the Door.

Yeah, I think just for the vast amount of caliber, you know? Yeah.

I'd be like, this is the last song.

This.

He, he is someone that has been through the highest highs and the lowest lows.

Like Disintegration is a song or an album he wrote genuinely when he was trying to kick the habit of heroin, and he sounds like it.

And then Songs of the Lost World, his most recent album, is literally about the fact that all of his friends and compatriots of the '80s are dying now.

And so he's coming to terms with his own mortality.

...

The Cure and Seventeen Seconds and later on into the '90s with Disintegration, yeah-

Mm-hmm

... and you've got a Joy Division there as well.

If you're a fan of the Talking Heads, when he played with them, it just brought them to a new level.

They have this live album, this band is called Talking Heads, and Adrian Ballou plays on that, and it's just...

the

best oh wow

Probably like in the top 10.

I love Lullaby.

I love the whole album, Disintegration.

I was mentioning earlier, I wanted to wear my Cure shirt that I got at Dodger Stadium in 1989, where I got the bumper sticker, but it literally, ironically disintegrated.

It's hard.

My song that hit me in Edinburgh was Disintegration, which I always loved to hear, but for some reason, it just like, oh, it was like, and I was holding onto the rail and I wasn't even like looking at, I was just listening and letting it wash into me.

And I just started bawling.

And I don't know why, just, I was screaming the lyrics like, and just like, ah, feeling it, you know? And I heard people say later on that that was a particularly good performance of it, but I don't even know because I was just like in my own.

But, you know, you could tell which ones really just built it out.

Do you

remember, Kate, he actually said, Robert said, didn't he, at the end of Disintegration, he said something like, it takes me right back.

And it was one of those moments where I realized what sort of mindset Robert has and the whole of the band have to put themselves into to keep playing songs, you know, thinking back to the times when they wrote them and recorded them.