If you could tell me that story, what happened here and maybe why that matters and what that has led to.

So this is a story that precedes the 7th of October.

It goes back to the late spring of 2021. when I'd been observing serial cancellation and attacks on friends and colleagues, some of them Jewish as well, who wrote on Holocaust memory.

For example, Michael Rothberg, a prominent American literary scholar, wrote a book called Multidirectional Memory, already in 2009, I think.

It was eventually translated in German in 2019, 20 or so.

And then it was, I think, widely received positively among literary scholars.

on multi-directional memory.

practice.

Mm.

And you know, some people do crazy things and like the shooting of the two Israeli embassy staff members in DC a couple of months ago.

You know, clearly a criminal behavior, can't be excused and so forth.

But one wonders about the mental state of the person who did that.

And I'm not making any excuses for anyone, but we're trying to explain, like, why do people resort to such extreme measures? And what is the effect of daily exposure to massive suffering? I mean, I personally avoid those video...

I mean, they come up on my Instagram feed or whatever social media platform it is.

But, you know, if you look at decapitated babies every day, that is gonna affect your perception of the world and, you know, you'll end up with vicarious PTSD symptoms.

So can you trust the same governments who are complicit in war crimes to draft a peace deal that's fair to both sides? I don't...