Dimitar Bechev

Thanks for having me.

Up next, Dimitar Bechev, a senior fellow at Carnegie Europe and director of the Dahrendorf Program on Europe in a Changing World at the European Studies Center of the University of Oxford's St. Anthony's College, joins me as we take a closer look at whether the rise of the far right in key countries in Europe will impact the continent's Russia policy as it looks to push back against Russia's hybrid campaign.

France and Germany are the exhibits, number one and number two, in this conversation that You don't need to get so versed in pro-Russian leadership in country X or country Y.

So long as you have a nativist nationalist leadership that seeks to undermine European support and might be skeptical of Russia, but is skeptical about Ukraine as well, that's already a win for the Kremlin.