Diana S. Zimmerman

And, uh, and then after that I put in, um, the audience participation thing where I dressed the guy up in the Cape and the hat and it's my hands doing the tricks and, and then, and different, different illusions.

I did the artist stream and the backstage illusion and the gramophone, which I bought from Dick Zimmerman, which was part of Diana Zimmerman's act.

And so, yeah, Over the course of nine years, I broke in enough material so that by 1991, I was ready and I opened my own show at the Hacienda Hotel.

Wow.

Wow.

Yeah.

So you said that your gramophone is in Diana Zimmerman's show.

Yes.

And where I led with this book was, now you've got all these creative synapses.

What are you going to do with it? Is the end goal to make all the money and the fame or can you actually use it to be even more impactful as a performer? So I started at towards the end of the book, some of these interviews that I had with Jason Latimer and Caleb Wiles and Diana Zimmerman and Chris Rose, they all have all taken magic away.

but they've added this other twist to it that makes it so much more impactful.

For example, Jason Latimer has done this impossible magic thing, and he's got this whole empire that he's created on the West Coast of the United States in California, and he's all over the country.