Diana Kander

We're shutting doors that allow us to focus on what's gonna be best for us.

And if any of you went to ESTO, I know I've talked about this before, but Diana Kander was the keynote speaker in the morning at ESTO, and she talked about creativity.

And one of the things that she said is when we think about creativity, we think about it as additive, meaning what more can we do? And what she said is the mistake a lot of us make is that if we just are always additing, a- adding and never taking anything away, we're not leaving any room for creativity.

So what she said is the first thing that you need to do in order to, to open up the doors for creativity is you have to remove stuff.

So I wanted that to feel like a different part of the book as opposed to just reading traditional text on a page.

She was someone I had in the back of my mind, and I love to see I just, you know, Diana Kander just released a new book that is illustrated throughout.

It's sort of like a graphic novel, if you will, and that's such a cool, disruptive way to bring words to life so that it connects a little bit differently.

So it's fun to seeing so many authors kind of pushing the boundaries on what a book has to look like.

Um, but first, yeah, let's talk about the keynote.

So the speaker is, her name is Diana Kander, and it was just such an energizing presentation.

We got to play a game.

Um, she played a couple of songs, and we had to identify who the artist was, and one of them was Snoop Dogg.

Yeah.

Well, let's talk a little bit about your presentation, which is based on Diana Kander's zombie hunting theory.

And I was not familiar with this.

So I would love for you to explain what that is.

And I think what's happening is a lot of people who...

And Diana Kander from...

She spoke at ESTO, and her session was just so meaningful to me.

And one of the things that she said in that session...

Help me

out.

What was I saying before I talked about Diana Kander? Do you remember? We were talking

about the changes, right, and how fast it's changed and things like that.