Desmond Tutu

He drew a parallel line.

between the current situation and South Africa's historical transition, recalling the role of Desmond Tutu and underscoring the importance of mutual forgiveness in overcoming the polarization within Venezuelan society.

Can I agree with that? Okay.

He also talked about potential investments in the country from Virgil.

Instead of an...

It's like Bishop Desmond Tutu said, do we want to spend time fishing people out of the river or do we want to go upstream and find out why they end up in the river in the first place? It is about preventing many of these human-related challenges.

We can't fix them all.

But many with a qualified, just a person who knows some of these human resource issues, setting up your manual and setting up your policies on the front, invest on the front end, and you'll need a lot less on the back end.

The priest's name was Trevor Huddleston.

The boy's name was Desmond Tutu.

A few years later, Desmond is about 15, very sick with TB, and he's admitted to Rietfontein Hospital, and he will spend nearly two years in that bed.

The doctors take Father Huddleston aside and tell him plainly that this young friend of his is not going to make it.

It's a hospital visit, a pile of comics, an hour of his time.

But in that hospital bed, a friendship takes root and a calling begins to stir.

Desmond Tutu survives.

He becomes a teacher, then a priest, then a bishop, and as we all know, the archbishop.

What did that feel like when you were casting that first vote at 32? What did that feel like, Stuart?

Well, I was part of the anti-apartheid campaign working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu for seven years.

And so it was the goal of the struggle to see a democratically elected government come into power And so it was, you know, essentially I was fighting not only for my family who suffered even worse humiliation under apartheid, but also for the masses, the millions of people who did not have that privilege and was totally oppressed by a government, which we are having now.

I mean, you know, we need not to fight for ourselves and vote for ourselves.

What did that feel like when you were casting that first vote at 32? What did that feel like, Stuart?

Well, I was part of the anti-apartheid campaign working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu for seven years.

And so it was the goal of the struggle to see a democratically elected government come into power And so it was, you know, essentially I was fighting not only for my family who suffered even worse humiliation under apartheid, but also for the masses, the millions of people who did not have that privilege and was totally oppressed by a government, which we are having now.

I mean, you know, we need not to fight for ourselves and vote for ourselves.

Indeed, indeed.

And I have something in common both with Bishop Jack and Desmond Tutu.

Okay.

We are all associates of King's College.

So I think...

Coming back to nuclear weapons, and I'd like to quote Desmond Tutu, who talked about nuclear weapons as being the very antithesis of humanity, of goodness in the world.

And so I think a vision where we respect each other and the planet is my vision.

It's like author Yuval Noah Harari talks about, the power of human imagination, to redirect our ingenuity from self-destruction to self-creation.