Yeah, it's called Friends Win.

Yeah, I think we worked on something like that together.

And then there was a period in 98...

In 99, really, where, like, I was maybe...

I was going to join the Olivia Trimmer Control because, like, they wanted John...

They wanted to like expand a little bit and they wanted John to like mainly be able to do violin and clarinet and external instruments and then have a bass player all the time.

You know what I mean? And I was like, yeah, I'm in.

Yeah, yeah,