Derby d'Italia

And funnily enough, that photo is from a famous...

The Inter-Juve rivalry in Italy is known as Derby d'Italia.

And that was a famous Juve Inter derby in April 61 at Juve's stadium at the time.

And the stadium was overcrowded.

so I believe the Juventus one James Paul Castle of the Athletic speaks about this at great length on the Athletic podcast so I do implore anyone to listen to that it's really really interesting but Essentially, the two titles that Juve were stripped of, one of them is given to Inter Milan and one of them was just left.

There's in the Derby Italia, Inter versus Juve, they always sing about the cardboard trophy and Juve are still seen as cheats.

And actually, I mean, me and Basley were talking about this last night, that you...

The first thing that you think of with Juventus is that scandal.

Um, so you know, i- i- i- in that regard, getting this right is very difficult, and you can understand why this has kind of taken eight years in terms of, like, there are so many charges, and it, it means so much to Man City, but it means so much also to the Premier League from a business point of view, credibility point of view, governance point of view.

And it's hard to get right and certainly, you know, every time I go to a Derby d'Italia, Juventus against Inter, the attitude of both fan bases is kind of predetermined by the outcome of that case in terms of two league titles revoked from Juventus, one left unsigned and the other given to Inter.

Um, and Juventus fans call that, you know, their cardboard league title, doesn't really count for them.

Inter fans say we've never been in the second division.