Dennis S. Charney

No, no, ab- absolutely.

And, and it is interesting the individual responses that people have, and, and I think, um, Dennis Charney's actually done a lot of stuff on prisoners of war and PTSD, and he was the one who discovered that, um, there's one gene that, um...

Say me and you have different variants of that gene.

We're both exposed to pretty significant early life stress.

Now, When you look at the research, there are some genes.

And so Dennis Charney particularly has done a lot of work on this, that there are genes that are involved in resilience.

So for instance, there's one particular gene that they'd identified that if a child goes through adverse childhood experiences, two different children, one is one variant of the gene and another has another variant, one can end up with PTSD and the other one can end up with PTG, right? So...

Now, but genes, as we both know, are not deterministic, right? They just influence things.

Yes, the historical lineage is strong.

Then in the 1990s, researchers like Stephen Southwick and Dennis Charney spent years studying people who had endured the most extreme acute traumas imaginable.

Combat soldiers, first responders, prisoners of war.

Exactly.