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Deborah Rowland

Deborah Rowland

Founder of Still Moving Consultancy, author, and one of the world's foremost thinkers on leading large-scale change; formerly of Shell, PepsiCo, Gucci Group, and BBC Worldwide.

Aug 3, 2026

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From Ought to Is: Deborah Rowland on the Bouncers on the Door of the Night Club of Truth

Aug 3 · 34m

Mark Blackwell
Mark BlackwellHOST
6:24
But if you were in a business meeting, how might a team who is in an ought world differ to a team that's in an is world?
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:32
We're just going back to politics.
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:34
I must mention our new seventh prime minister of the UK in 10 years, Andy Burnham.
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:40
Now, it's a slogan at this stage.
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:42
I had to put the government health warning so-called on that.
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:45
But one of his slogans is place before party.
Deborah Rowland
Deborah RowlandGUEST
6:49
And I think that really sums up trying to be in the world of is, place, the terrain, what's really happening here on the ground, it's getting to ground truth.

13 MINS LATER

Mark Blackwell
Mark BlackwellHOST
19:31
Yeah.

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