Deborah Haynes

Uh, there's an expectation we may hear from President Zelensky later.

Uh, he may well give a news conference, and of course, there's gonna be loads more analysis on this from Michael Clarke and Deborah Haynes in the Sky News Defense Insider Morning Call in a few hours' time.

So look out for that.

Well, yes, and the gloves do really appear to be off again between Trump and Zelensky, don't they? A-as you were saying, um, the Ukrainian leader seems to have abandoned this tactful equivocation when it comes to Trump, and, uh, the feeling seems to be mutual.

That's certainly what Moscow thought.

Uh, and that they would effectively decapitate the government, kill President Zelenskyy, they tried to assassinate him, and install a puppet Kremlin-friendly regime.

That has not happened.

Ukraine's resistance has been extraordinary.

What's more, the governments of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Sweden are putting out instruction manuals telling people what to do in case there is an attack by Russia.

So how likely is this, and how worried should we be, and how prepared are we? There is no better person to talk about this than my old friend, Deborah Haynes, who has just won a major podcast award for her series, The War Game, in which such an attack is imagined.

Now, before we talk, just a reminder, you can also watch this interview on our YouTube page.

Just search The World with Richard and Yalda, and make sure you subscribe, and do the same on Spotify and Apple.

They have been working together, the Americans and the Brits, for some time.

We know that, you know, Deborah Haynes, our security editor, had a tip-off on Saturday night before the arrests happened that security had been, had been raised at Fairford.

So, you know, that happened.

She knew about this before the arrests happened.

around the bases.

Deborah Haynes, our defence editor, got wind of this, that the security was being increased.

I think there's no doubt that there was some sense of heightened security.

We also know that the locals in the area were saying that they felt that security had been tightened over the weekend.

You can find The Calm on the Sky News app, website and YouTube channel.

Jason, just the other week, we were again covering the War Game series.

Deborah Haynes, our defence editor's podcast turned television series.

And of course, the TV series imagines a very different situation to the one in which we're seeing around Fairford or imagining around Fairford, a direct attack on the UK.

Let's go to London and complete the line-up.

I am delighted to welcome back to the programme Deborah Haynes, Security and Defence Editor at Sky News.

Good evening, Deborah.

Great to see you as well.

Thank you to my magnificently human panel tonight in the studio.

Thank you, Vivienne Walt-Parrish, correspondent for Time and Fortune magazine, Doug Herbert, France 24's international affairs commentator, and Colleen Dooley, a Vatican correspondent for America magazine and co-host of Inside the Vatican podcast.

And in London, thank you to Deborah Haynes, defence and security correspondent at Sky News, creator, writer, host of the brilliant podcast War Game, now adapted to a gripping TV series, premiered on Sky this week.

Thank you for watching and listening on the podcast.

We're also going to be talking about the war game, which many of you may have been watching on your televisions this week.

So Deborah Haynes, the creator of that, she'll be joining us from 7.30. And as I say, do watch us on the LBC YouTube channel online.

or Global Player or the LBC app.

Now, I want to spend the first hour talking about welfare because I think that is going to be probably in the top three battlegrounds of politics over the next couple of years leading up to the next election, although... from what Kemi Badenoch was saying last night.

Yes, but what did I score in my PIP assessment that made me qualify? And again, PIP is not an outwork benefit, so it makes no difference in that regard.

OK, well, we have to leave it there because I'm five minutes late for a break, Alex, but thank you very much indeed.

Right, we'll be talking to Deborah Haynes from the Defence and Security Correspondent for Sky News in just a moment about the war game.

Some of you may have been watching that.

Mm.

I saw Deborah Haynes, the defense editor for Sky, retweeting an old BBC article from around that Theresa May era, where she announced [laughs] the same thing.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

do happen behind the scenes and should be happening behind the scenes.

And Sky's brilliant defence and security editor, Deborah Haynes, had this idea for doing it as a podcast, a very, very successful podcast, won lots of awards, took people sort of behind the scenes of if there was a scenario... where Britain was attacked, to sort of raise the curtain in terms of how would the information be given to senior politicians? What is the kind of information that they would receive? How would they assimilate that information critically? How would they make those key life or death decisions? And this TV show has tried to kind of bring that to life visually.

And I think these things obviously are done in a very secretive way.

They sort of have to be.