Can you talk a little bit, Debbie, about why we need to still be paying attention to trauma and loss in these kids?

Well, right.

So, again, we need to understand the background of this child in a clinical way and help the adoptive family understand in a clinical way.

Yes, you may know intellectually maybe the child was abused or neglected or the birth father, you know, was not the greatest and ran off or something like that.

That's all trauma.

That's all trauma that the child is carrying with them.

And again, depending on their age, even if they are 13, 14, it's very difficult to sort through those feelings.

How can an adoptive, kinship adoptive parent navigate these changes and maintain healthy expectations for that connection to their birth culture too?