Deb Matthews

I will say this is not a galloping shock to me because we knew that people around Wynne were supporting Lee Faircloth.

And I'm particularly thinking of Deb Matthews, who is very close with Wynne.

She was her deputy premier.

I have periodically joked that I always think of Deb as kind of like – the hand of the crown like the the the the deputy um but uh regardless is that a