The technology companies tout what their devices can do for individuals, but Davis sees the whole ecosystem.

As an example, Davis has spent a lot of time exploring uses of virtual reality.

Yes, it can take an older person across the world for a remarkably realistic visit with an old friend or a grandchild, but the use case that Davis found most compelling was to use VR as a way to train his staff to be more empathetic, and that started with a company called Embodied Labs.

Embodied Labs was founded by a, a woman who was caregiving for her mother, who was, uh, living with macular degeneration.

And when the caregiver came to her home, she, she didn't understand what macular degeneration was, 'cause she could see.

She just couldn't see in front of her, right? So she developed, like, these, these glasses that she put on and blocked out, like, the front part of her, her lenses.

And, and so, like, the caregiver had to look to her side in order to use her peripheral vision in order to see.

For instance, the food servers learned how to place a plate of food to the side for residents with macular degeneration so they could see it using their peripheral vision.

But on the front lines of care, the perspective can be a little different.

So some of the solutions that we're looking at to help support social engagement and connection involve some element of AI, because AI really helps to scale, like, some of the approaches that, that we're interested in.

How do you think about that from a sort of a ethical issues that a lot of the technologies are about people to machine?

The ethical issues between people and machines is, like, a really, really tricky one.

Uh, and when I, you...

When I say machines, I'm talking about not just artificial intelligence, which is where we are in terms of the, the technology trends, but I'm also just talking about things and devices.

So, so for example, uh, we've done some pilot testing and we've ultimately scaled robotic care pets.

And robotic care pets are, are used as devices to engage between the, the older adult who may be living with dementia, but not necessarily with dementia, right? They, they're, like, just looking for some companionship.