David Wagner

Dean Smith had it obviously at the end of his tenure that led to him getting sacked.

David Wagner had it in that spell where they dropped to, to 17th in the November, a real spell of, of bad results.

Janes Hoftorp had it, what was it, one win in 10 I think be- before he got sacked.

Liam Manning obviously basically had it for the, for his whole Norwich City tenure and that, that disastrous, um, Carrow Road run.

You don't get hired at Brentford or work in that system if you're not a decent coach.

He then went to Villa, got them promoted, and sustained them in the Premier League for a period before, before he came to Norwich, and he, he lasted, what, about, uh, 20-odd games and then got the sack.

Um, David Wagner got Huddersfield up, took Norwich to the playoffs of course as well, albeit, you know, we can debate what went on, but that still happened.

Um, got sacked.

the latter because I'm going to wind my family up so that's I'll go for that but then again my fond memories of Huddersfield are when you were when you you did did in United to come up that's when I you know when you beat them at playoff final Simonsons Comet I loved Huddersfield by then

yeah no mate that were unbelievable like but yeah it's really weird because then we went up and we just struggled like hell every single season and then David Wagner delivered this miracle season with some fantastic signs the recruitment that season were unbelievable like from Germany we kind of Still a bit of a gap in the market and obviously got up, but then it's just kind of been struggle.

But like, yeah, and I think it'd be the same again if we managed to get back up.

But I just think either bottom half championship or, you know, top eight, third division.

I just, for my logic, right, I just went, okay, manager that's previously managed in the Championship at a couple of clubs, hasn't been around for a while, people have almost forgotten about him.

Who are they gonna pluck out? David Wagner.

Yep.

Uh, again, I thought it's really, really good, good option because you've just got to put your, put your f- uh, hand in a hat and go Russell, Russell, Russell-

... name.

Who, y- you need-

... you need, he's, he's, he's either been Watford manager before, they like a former manager.

But to be fair, I haven't texted them about any more information or advice that I wanted to gather from them.

I just do because, obviously, David Wagner He has a Dortmund pass as well.

And then I've learned a bit later that when I met Dave two or three months ago, he mentioned, I think it was him who mentioned or someone else probably mentioned that he had been contacted, not because of me, but that there's been a call anyway.

And that somebody had asked him about if he could see me as a coach as well.

The change of... obviously literal change in changing it, but also the lurch in terms of styles.

If you compare it to what they had in David Wagner to maybe what they then went to with Johannes Hof Torup, completely different.

Then went to Liam Manning, completely different again.

Then went to Philippe Clement, very different again.

Yeah.

Although, like, David Wagner, the American link there maybe does something for them-

That's true

...

I think it's just not what we expected.

There's a feel for me of like our really miserable patch under David Wagner, which included that 6-2 defeat to Plymouth, the same manager, obviously, as we saw yesterday, where our centre-backs made lots and lots of individual mistakes.

And obviously our midfield was deliberately wide open under Wagner because that was his system.

And I think having a sort of massive gaps leads to those mistakes.

So, yeah, it's kind of hard to know how it's going to go because it's been so long since we had a Kenny list.

but I am slightly concerned and have been since the summer that we lack quality in central midfield if either Kenny or Mattson goes down.

I mean, he missed a few games, I think, at the end of that season under David Wagner, the Dean Smith Wagner season.

I think it's fair to say, judging on performances and results there, that did not go well.

so far disconnected and so much ground they're having to plug I

said to you in the first half it reminds me a lot of David Wagner's shape where you just used to have massive holes of space in the middle of the pitch and that as a result means you can just get no control of it and that's why I think we're seeing a bit of this kind of basketball game saw it last weekend saw it today as well Again, it's all of those things, isn't it?

Yeah, and he will, I'm sure, push back on that.

And, you know, I'm not going to paraphrase what you said post-match today for fear of, you know, getting pulled up.

Yeah,

and David Wagner always comes up around these kind of conversations.

So, yeah, I think, yeah, Alexander...

I think Edwards, if you could get him, I think would be a promising appointment until he leaves you in nine months time for a higher paying role.

I'd say, look, nobody can be worse than Ekinbottom, so I'd take anyone.

David Wagner, another one they're talking about potentially being the manager.

As I say, I'd take anyone.

David Healy.