David VanDrunen

... uh, along the way.

So, related question, and one that comes close to this, and that is, should both tables of the law be applied in the law? Or should something closer to natural law be the case? Certainly, you have someone like David VanDrunen and even someone like Andrew Walker who'd argue for something closer to natural law that is there instead of the two tables.

And, and even might say, okay, the two tables is an artificial or an arbitrary distinction in the law, but there certainly is something where the summation of the law, loving God, loving neighbor, you have kinda the vertical and horizontal.

James, for you, a- as you think about that, and maybe this can lead into the place for natural law as well, uh, but how would you see the Ten Commandments having an impact on a nation today?

Maybe before we get onto the paper, Kevin, I just wanted to say I have already quoted you publicly, brother.

I recently did a conference with David Van Drunen in Sydney, and it was he and I were two kingdoms.

I heard about

it.

I rem- wait, I'm gonna say the names.

It was a question Kevin DeYoung asked David VanDrunen, and I thought Kevin asked a great question.

It was a great question.

Great question.