David Pickering

I think the big thing was getting out, giving yourself some space.

The Welsh Rugby Union, a guy named David Pickering, who was the manager of the team when I coached, and we're good mates, they were fantastic to me.

They didn't want me to coach the Lions.

They said, "It's too much." I said, "Of course I can." [laughs] And then they, then they finished up supporting me.

And I, as I said, I had, I had fabulous support.

Raewyn was fantastic.

David Pickering was fantastic.

Um, the Welsh Union could have made been difficult for me.