David P. Goldman

To be exact.

Joining me now to discuss Betsey Stevenson, professor of public policy and economics at the University of Michigan, and David Goldman, former State Department special envoy and coordinator for the International Energy Affairs and chairman of the Atlantic Council Global Energy Center, which is definitely why I turned to you first, David.

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Sunday was the deadliest day of attacks on shipping near the Strait of Hormuz since this war began.

And then we will decide politically, are there things that we think only humans should be allowed to do?

CNN Business Senior Reporter David Goldman is joining us right now to help us make some sense out of all of this.

David, today's question, could AI actually create more jobs than it destroys?

It could, Wolf, but I think the question is what kind of jobs are we talking about? We all know that AI can automate a lot of our tasks, and that could cause us to lose about 36 million jobs over the next decade, according to this new study that you referenced from McKinsey.

The kind of jobs that might be available are the ones that are going to build out the AI infrastructure to power all of this wolf.

Yeah, it makes my head explode as well.

All right, David Goldman, thank you very, very much.

And to our viewers, if you'd like David to help you make it make sense, email your question or questions or send us a selfie video of your question to makeitmakesenseatcnn.com. We'll have more news right after a break.

So governments can, even if they shouldn't have their nose in everything, they can impact for good or ill how families proceed and how birth rates proceed.

Bill Muehlenberg, in your article on this topic earlier this week, you quoted from David Goldman's book about how civilizations die.

What would our listeners glean from that today?

Yeah, we wrote a couple of books on this about 15 years ago now.

It were the scriptures that told us we have eternal significance.

Now, one of the books which has made me think about all of this stuff recently is a book I've mentioned before, I think, on this podcast, one that has a thesis I've never forgotten, and that is David P. Goldman's How Civilizations Die and Why Islam is Dying Too.

It's a, an intentionally provocative book, and I certainly wouldn't suggest that every prediction Goldman made has proved true.

Some of his demographic and geopolitical arguments have been contested and disputed, and the book is now more than 15 years old.

There's a great book, I've referred to it before, How Civilizations Die and Why Islam is Dying Too.

Again, a secular researcher, David Goldman, and he talks about how across the world there is this birth dearth that was coined back in the 80s.

I forget who coined that term.

But the idea that we're having fewer and fewer children and therefore we're hurting civilization.