David McRaney

And they are very natural forces.

I mean, sorting, the desire to be around people who are like us, that's how we form friendships.

That's how we find common interests.

That's how we bring meaning into our lives.

And now we return to our program.

My name is David McRaney.

This is the You Are Not So Smart podcast.

And our guest in this episode is Dr. Hahrie Han, a political scientist who also is a MacArthur Genius Grant winner.

Yeah.

Um, in a, in a book, um, I'm, I'm reading, um, by, by David McRaney called "How Minds Change," he, he uses, um, he uses a couple examples, but two in particular, um, I think I emailed you about, was, was regarding a 9/11 truther, uh, named Charlie Veitch, I think I got his last name right, and, um, and a daughter of a Westboro Baptist, uh, family, um, kind of like ra- I forgot where their bodies died-

Right.

That's right.

Welcome to the You Are Not So Smart podcast.

I'm David McRaney.

And people often ask me, what's the episode that I am most proud of or the one that I would, if they've never heard the show, which one should they listen to first? It's always this one.

It's the one that I tell them to listen to.

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And now we return to our program.

My name is David McRaney, and this is the You Are Not So Smart Podcast.

In this episode, we are exploring pluralistic ignorance.

You know, nobody can physically attack someone, and no one is physically attacking people in the church, but that word Mormon, boy, they get agitated, don't they?

Yeah, and, and remember the David McRaney book, How Minds Change-

Yes, yes

... um, says when, when your tribe or your identity is attacked, the same areas of your brain as-