David M. Jacobs

So, so Hynek, you know, created these categories, and he put it in his book called the, um, UFOs: A Scientific Inquiry, 20 years of research of running around on the Air Force's dime.

And then came, you know, John Mack, uh, the head of psychiatry at Harvard, um, David Jacobs fr- um, from Temple University.

Mm-hmm.

These guys started to look into this other category that people were talking about that for Hynek was a little bit, I think, too much-

He said that these people s- tell the story the way that someone speaks when they formulate truth, and he said that they, um, were very respectable people, that they understand how strange and detrimental the story is that they're telling.

Um, the, and so he became himself, you know, a very big abduction researcher.

But J- John T- David Jacobs from Temple University, he got 1,200 accounts, and these people are talking to him before there was any documentaries or books, and they're people from all walks of life, from janitors to professors to housewives to engineers to lawyers to judges to police officers.

I mean, people that we respect with great responsibility.

Nobody can tell you where it came from.

What do the proponents say? Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs estimated tens of thousands or more North Americans had been taken, which is a much more modest number than 4 million, and notice that they chose it deliberately.

And then there's the abductee who went the other way entirely.

Steve Aspin.

I can tell you pretty much every major researcher out there has multiple cases.

Bud Hopkins, John Mack, David Jacobs, Edith Fiore, Barbara Lamb, Yvonne Smith, RD Sixkiller Clarke, Ray Hernandez, Joe Burks, Brad Steiger, Tim Beckley, Michael Hessman, Timothy Good.

Jacques Vallée has an excellent case.

So this is something that is a consistent feature of onboard UFO encounters.

And I get always very suspicious of that because I think if you are a researcher, you're not just going to...

If you're a genuine researcher, you're not just going to focus on one aspect of the phenomenon and dismiss the rest as... just made up as non-scientific and and so forth because if you're going to be looking at abductions and terrifying aspects of ufos then i think you should really be also looking at the more positive aspects of contact and and that's where i think scholars such as dr john mack really excelled that they were they were looking at both sides rather than going down the path of some like Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs, who only ever emphasized the negative aspect of the abduction phenomenon.

Here is a story put out by John Titor 17.

Now, I haven't really explored this source.

All right, so coming up in a moment, I think this is a very special show.

David Michael Jacobs is a retired professor of history at Temple University in Philadelphia.

He has also been a UFO researcher since 1966.

In 1973, he completed his doctoral dissertation in the field of intellectual history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison on the controversy over unidentified flying objects in America.

it's the presence of the nephilim and the fallen angels interfacing with the man men and women of earth that is precisely what we see now in the so-called extraterrestrial or alien breeding program and implanting program this is what we see men are taken sperm is taken from the men ovum is taken from the women men are forced to copulate with female hybrids vice versa with the females They're often re-abducted years later and shown a hybrid being.

We hear this over and over and over again to the point now where Dr. David Jacobs, who we interviewed in Watchers 7 and Watchers 8, believes that these hybrid beings look and can pass as human and now are beginning to integrate into our society.

Can I prove that? No, I can't.

Not yet.

We have proof that the phenomena is real.

If we really look at the abduction phenomena and what these characters are up to, in my opinion, it's no good.

And Dr. David Jacobs, we disagree on maybe some of the particulars of the phenomena, but we both agree that it's highly malevolent.

That's what we believe.

So that's 1987 now.

And just about then, we get a spate of books from a group of authors, Whitley Streber and Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, and then in the 1990s, John Mack.

And I raised this with the researchers at John Mack's research group in Boston.

And, oh, my gosh, they were horrified that I would suggest such a hypothesis.

His account was printed in Portuguese in 1962 and reached English readers in Flying Saucer Review between 1965 and 1967.

The historian David Jacobs himself, an abduction researcher, writes that few in the field gave Villas-Boas credence that it was the Hill case published in 1966 that began the public's fascination with abduction.

What the Hills supplied was a structure.

In 1987, the folklorist Thomas Bullard published a two-volume study of some 300 abduction accounts and found them falling into an eight-part sequence – capture, examination, conference, tour, journey, theophany, return, and aftermath.