... came to, to life." Um, I guess at one point did you, like, realize, "Okay, I no longer want to be, you know, an architect anymore"?

Ooh.

Really, my whole career was a struggle of, like, just wondering if I'd made the right decision.

Even in college, you know, I thought about changing in the middle of it, and I just kind of, I guess you could say I white-knuckled my way through college 'cause I just wanted to get done with it and start some kind of career.

And there was definitely a lot of struggles over the years, job losses.

So it's been something I've played around with a lot over the years, and just recently, last year, a kind of personal situation with my wife being diagnosed with stage II breast cancer kind of kicked it into gear again that I just wanted to do better for myself, better for my family.

Uh, I guess tell about, like, what... how big was your group and what kind of tools you guys used and how that whole process was for you.

Yeah.