David Keenan

Yeah.

I would, I would, I would recommend, um, with a little caution, but I would recommend, uh, David Keenan's England's Hidden Reverse.

Forgive me.

England's Hidden Reverse.

Oh, yeah, back in, back in the game, are they?

Um, still wearing their socialist politics on their sleeve.

[laughs] But, well, a- and I think there's also, there's a wee bit of a connection as well with, with Keenan, 'cause apparently, um, when he did, when, when David Keenan did that book, and in true Wire magazine style, I would say, he, he did a sterling piece of work, and then he had to revisit it because he'd, he'd dropped the ball on a number of occasions-

Yeah

Yeah.

I mean, I'm minded of our, of our guest and friend, David Keenan, who has that phrase, "holy books." These, these two books seem to me to be-

Mm

... inasmuch as I can understand the concept of what is holy, that they've, they, they've definitely entered the pantheon for me.