Gorilla legal services.

It was.

And, you know, he says, you know, I could do this.

You know, it was like, I don't know.

It was a criminal case.

Twenty five hundred dollar retainer.

Five hundred down.

this, was this in conjunction with we drive cases or these clients you

Yeah.

One of those moments, big time for me, was seeing the Sex Pistols and The Clash at the 100 Club in 1976 with my brother.

And being in that audience, saying to Kevin, "We gotta...

This is, this is the way." [laughs] And we formed a, our punk band there, there and then, and played like two weeks later.

Um, and, and Daniel was into that whole thing as well.

He almost joined that band, but that's another story.

Um, but that punk evolved very quickly, and it became a, a form that could be, um, influenced by all sorts of genres and all sorts of influences.

Yeah.

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The pivotal moment for me was going to the 100 Club in London in 1976 and seeing the Sex Pistols and The Clash, and that just changed everything.

So how I discovered the Pistols was I'd heard of them, I'd heard a- about them, but never heard them.

But they...

You had to go and see them live 'cause they, at that point, they hadn't made any records.

But I was at a pub in, um, in London called the Hope and Anchor, where they used to have a lot of gigs.

Um, this is pre-punk, the pub rock bands, and they used to...

Can you give me an example of one?