David Eisenberg

They put me on the first ever complimentary therapies committee.

at Beth Israel Hospital, which is now Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital, with a man named David Eisenberg, who went on to do a very famous study about how many people were paying out of pocket for alternative and complementary therapies.

Like you just, this is answering your question.

So, and I believe he was inspired by some of our conversations because I remember talking in that meeting and saying, look, I go to this Kripalu Yoga Center and you wouldn't believe the number of people that are getting acupuncture.