How did somebody become so connected with that voice even though it caused internal turmoil? I

mean, it's a very deep question you're asking.

It's almost always transgenerational.

the way we've survived in our own lives, the traumas of my own childhoods, etc., but almost always predates that as well.

They're long-term belief systems.

And then we naturally survive, assimilate, get along in the culture for so long, for so many generations, for so long in our lives, that we forget that that's not us.

So we put parts of ourselves away, but we don't remember doing such a thing.

I want to stop.

Psychological healing is

very rarely like that, only in very simple things, meaning how do I make something go away? And the healing industry has followed the allopathic medical model, make the symptom go away, make the yelling go away, make the tiredness go away, make my sadness go away, whatever, make my frustration go away, make my dysregulation go away, make things go away so that I'm even.

And that's why we need a different paradigm and a different paradigm.

I call that an unshaming paradigm.

It says, you are just as much a part of nature as the bees and flowers and worms and earth and how things weave.

And your feelings and your experiences are like that.

They're woven into, in an intelligent way, the life of you, the life of your children, the life of the world.

Animals do it.

How are you navigating all of that internal conflict and those pressures and that assimilation piece with all your aspects of identity and the position you hold in this world?

That's such a huge question.

I could sit and meditate for 15 minutes before I answer it, but I won't because we're, you know, but it's the kind of thing that I just noticed.

I'm closing my eyes and I want to go inside.

I know certain things that are maybe more surface, but one of the things that's currently going on that I'm most aware of in this moment is I've had back pain for about 12 days, lower back pain, significant enough where I can't sit.

It's quite intense, so it's not something I can forget or medicate away or something like that.

It's there.

But there's a deeper level to what you're saying.