David Baddiel

Anything to do with him.

It's not Catman, David Baddiel.

Nothing to do with that.

I'm always a bit disappointed by the word of the year because when they're explained, they're always a bit sort of raggedy around the edges, the definitions.

But this is my question.

Something I'm getting...

There was a thing, they said, oh, I saw on the internet, you and David Baddiel are on the next Traitors.

You know, that's what they said.

You've been visible and continue to be in middle age, still has such negative connotations, doesn't it? But it's what it is.

I was just listening to David Baddiel before I came on air.

They've been doing this, What It Is To Be A Man, and they've gone through the different ages.

And I think it was on Radio 4.

person on Taskmaster.

Because if you watch with Alan Davies or David Baddiel and Joe Brand.

Oh, God,

all of them have been in and I wasn't told.

And it's a really strange...

David Baddiel did a programme on Radio 4 about this over the summer, yeah.

It wasn't like that before.

Like, in the 90s, like, Italian 90s, that wasn't a thing.

Yeah, you sometimes get this question.

There's a sort of sickness in the debate, I think, where it almost feels like, well, if Jewish people have it, why can't Muslim people have it? You know, to the point that, like David Baddiel wrote, Jews don't count.

So Syed Abbas, he wrote a book called Muslims Don't Matter.

It's like a constant sort of game of catch up.

And he's done other stuff.

David Baddiel.

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