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David B. Sandalow

David B. Sandalow

Former Assistant Secretary of State for Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs of the United States

Jul 17, 2026

6:49
You know, if they wait too long, they're, they're, they're, they're gonna be overtaken by events.
6:54
You know, I think you were, you were a bit prescient on this, David.
6:57
I recall you saying a year or two ago that the elections ahead are gonna be the first elections where AI is, you know, a, a factor.
7:05
And I think we're th- I think looking forward to the next couple year, A- AI may well be the central factor in elections.
7:11
There's almost nothing that's defining our politics more, and I think it's only gonna grow.
7:18
A- and one, one very interesting development in this space, I mean, in addition to this moratorium in New York, uh, one very interesting development is this question of whether the federal government should own shares in AI companies.
7:32
And there are...

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6:19
You know, if they wait too long, they're, they're, they're, they're gonna be overtaken by events.
6:24
You know, I think you were, you were a bit prescient on this, David.
6:27
I recall you saying a year or two ago that the elections ahead are gonna be the first elections where AI is, you know, a, a factor.
6:35
And I think we're th- I think looking forward to the next couple years, A- AI may well be the central factor in, in elections.
6:41
There's almost nothing that's defining our politics more, and I think it's only gonna grow.
6:48
A- and one, one very interesting development of this space, I mean, in addition to this moratorium in New York, uh, one very interesting development is this question of whether the federal government should own shares in AI companies.
7:02
And there are...

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13:44
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5:46
And they felt like they, you know, they might, you know, if they wait too long, they're going to be overtaken by events.
5:54
You know, I think you were a bit prescient on this, David.
5:57
I recall you saying a year or two ago that the elections ahead are going to be the first elections where AI is a factor.
6:05
And I think we're looking forward to the next couple of years.
6:08
AI may well be the central factor in elections.
6:10
There's almost nothing that's defining our politics more.
6:14
And I think it's only going to grow.

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13:14
We thank everybody who's supporting this podcast for their support, and we look forward to it developing and growing over time because the issue is so important.
6:06
In terms of your expectations for China's NDC, what do you think th- the country will be saying?
6:13
You're quite right, Ed, this is hugely important document.
6:15
I think the most important document related to climate change that will be released by any government but th- this year.
6:21
Ch- uh, China, as I've, I've already said, is, uh, almost a, a third of greenhouse gas emissions, so its plan is absolutely central to the fight against climate change.
6:30
I'll be, I t- can tell you what I'll be looking for and will be most interested to see.
6:33
So first, there's a kind of headline number here, which is the percentage reduction to 2035, which is the relevant timeframe, um, and we've already had very high numbers put out by the European Union, by the United Kingdom, Japan, Brazil, Australia, in terms of their goals of reducing emissions.
6:51
Um, I think a lot of observers are hoping that the Chinese government will be somewhere in the 20 to 30% range in terms of, uh, reductions, but I think, uh, most observers are expecting the number to be significantly lower.

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