So I think this is really what is interesting here, is like the, how, as you say, like, what is the line to cross? Like, what, what more can be done to show how this makes absolute no sense for people? And of course, a lot of sense for the imperialist and, uh, capitalist aims, uh, that this country represents.

Yeah.

I think, I think you put your finger on, in, uh, on, on the issue, uh, when we talk about, you know, the, the world system.

Because I think that the genocide, the, the naked violation of human rights, um, you know, the destruction, the, the assassination, destruction, um, of, you know, cultural heritage and these people's lives, you know, and, and, and the hundred, the hundreds, you know, thousands of people that have been murdered in the past three years, uh, by state of Israel.

It's so acute as a violation that it's oftentimes difficult to remember what's really the, the underlying stakes.

But I think it's helpful to get there because I think that can ground our conversation about the way it's exported across the world.

You know, the state of Israel, you know, th- there's a reason why the, the Palestinian question, uh, has been situated in international law as a question of, of colonization and decolonization for a, for a long time.

Can you tell us a little bit more about w- what y- what this project is about and how it really is, um, a deeper critique while it's peopled, uh, in these, uh, networks of, of, you know, reactionary, uh, actors?

Mr. Adler, did you want to add anything to this?

I do, Your Honor.

Good morning, Your Honor.

David Adler from McCarter & English on behalf of Seth Melamed.

We filed a joinder in response to their opposition to the motion to strike.

That's docket number 36046, I believe.

I just want to step back for a second and note that in the motion to enforce, which was filed on April 2nd, 2026, at docket number 35243, there is point three is the point regarding section 5.2 of the plan.

Is there anything else then before we adjourn?

What concretely is in the tapes? Like, what does Juan Orlando Hernandez want from people, and why would he want things from people? Who is he?

So one of the story of Juan Orlando Hernandez as a political figure in the Honduran context, but in the hemispheric context, I think might also convince your viewers, your listeners to give additional credence to these alleged audio tapes.

Because already the things we know about Ho, about Juan Orlando Hernandez, as you might have from the kind of the letters of his name, is so scandalous and so transnational in its scandalous nature that it gives us a lot of reasons to think that he would be at the center of this kind of criminal web.

So Juan Orlando Hernandez is a politician from Honduras's National Party.

And the National Party came to power in a military coup that was conducted in 2009 against the legitimate and democratically elected government of Manuel Zelaya.

They were elected in 2007.

They were liberals, pretty center-left government, promising pretty moderate social democratic reforms.

Hmm.

What concretely is, are, are in the tapes? Like, what does Juan Orlando Hernández want from people, and, and why would he want things from people? Who is he?

So one of the, the story of Juan Orlando Hernández as a political figure in the Honduran context, in the hemisphere context, um, I think might also convince your, your viewers, your listeners to give additional credence to these alleged, uh, audio tapes because already the things we know about HO, about Juan Orlando Hernández, as you have, may have from the kind of the letters of his name, uh, is, is so scandalous and so, um, transnational in, in, in a scandalous nature that it gives us a lot of reasons to think that he would be at the center of this kind of criminal web.

[clears throat] So Juan Orlando Hernández is a politician from Honduras's National Party.

And the National Party, uh, came to power in a military coup that was conducted in 2009 against the legitimate and democratically elected government of, uh, Mel Zelaya.

They were elected in 2007.

Uh, they were liberals, pretty center, um, center-left governments, uh, promising pretty moderate social democratic reforms.

Um, but Honduras, uh, for decades, uh, has been, uh, even Mel himself, uh, once described it this way, um, a democracia tutela, a, a tutelage democracy.

Not the gaming square cuts, yes.

Um, this is not an embargo, this is a, a siege, and it's a revenge, they're starving people in this country right now, over, uh, decades-old humiliations to the United States intelligence and, and, and power and, uh, and, and capital here in this country, and there doesn't seem to be any discernible, uh, foreign policy objective except as a gift to the far-right Cuban diaspora.

diaspora....

Yeah, so let's talk about the layers of US policy when it comes to the strangulation of the island of Cuba and the asphyxiation of its people.

Um, I agree with you.

Calling this an embargo seems to be a criminal understatement of the siege that we are now laying a- against Cuba, and, and Trump is quite forthright about saying, you know, "We are the ones who are inflaming a humanitarian crisis, and we're the ones who are advancing the logic that was once set out in black and white on a 1960 State Department cable," that explicitly said, you know, the goal of US policy towards Cuba in the case of Castro's victory, is to prevent the arrival of any cash or money to inflame hunger and desperation on the island, and to inflict a form of social uprising that can lead to the fall of a government that the United States perceived to be somewhat adversarial to its prior interest in the Batista regime, from which Marco Rubio's family originally fled, that was known for its brutality, known for its criminality, and known for its immiseration of the Cuban people, leaving them in forms of poverty and immiseration, uh, for, for, for many, for many years.

But this is a multilayered siege.

So first of all, you know, if you go online and you have the misfortune, as I often do, of e- of engaging with that far-right Cuban diaspora, the line that often emerges, their narrative, which is one that Marco Rubio has made, uh, in, in, in, in, in Congress, uh, you know, under oath, is that there is no blockade, there is no embargo.

Fair enough

Uh-huh.

... which is that we had been doing so much political work on the boats to beat back the Hamas flotilla narrative, humanizing ourselves, you know, ta- talking about the aid that we were bringing, you know, "Here are nurses, here are doctors, here's little old David, just a Jewish boy from the valley of Los Angeles," you know, whatever.

Um, that, uh...

And, and the Italians, f- you know, in a more serious fashion, the trade union aspect of like, "Okay, we will literally burn Europe," um, was taking its toll on the... on, on respective governments.

And so I was awa- I had been aware 'cause I was doing all the diplomatic coordination for the flotilla, like, of this back channel agreement with the Israelis that they weren't gonna...

They were gonna do their best, was the agreement, do their best not to kill us, um, at sea.

Now, uh, they didn't kill anyone at sea, which is a fucking miracle, um, but boy was I wrong about what that meant for us on land 'cause I was like, "Oh, like, we, we won this...

Yeah.

Tell us what happened to you and what happened to the other flotilla activists before you were deported.

So last Wednesday night in the early hours of the morning, we were violently raided and abducted by Israeli naval forces in international waters.

And over the coming hours, uh, as was said by my comrade, Mandla Mandela, we were taken to the port of Ashdod, where our b- belongings and boats were stolen from us and confiscated.

They literally ripped, uh, jewelry, necklaces, rings, uh, precious, uh, things out of our bags and belongings and threw them away or confiscated them, uh, without any access to, to them from, from, uh, or, or, or demand that we could make on our own.

And we were, you know, put in, um, positions of s- of humiliation and paraded around for Ben-Gvir and his friends to take a photo opportunity.

At that point, they reached down and saw my passport, uh, which had my full name, David Rashi Kremenadler, and asked if I was Jewish.

I said I was Jewish.

Well, indeed, uh, as far as the US response has g- has gone, the Trump administration's response earlier this week on Monday, US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee took to social media to attack you, David Adler, personally as a, quote, "self-absorbed tool of Hamas." Your response?

Heavily attacked.

Yeah.

Well, they were just beaten u- it was pretty intere- I mean, they weren't just attacked, they were like tracked down.

The Egyptian authorities were like hunting these activists across Cairo.

They... 'Cause no one was organizing it.

It was kind of like an open call, and they were going through every hotel, like knocking on doors, dragging people out of there.

I mean, it was wild.

Oh, absolutely.

Can you explain what has taken place? For people who haven't followed this flotilla, what is it, and the significance of Italy and Spain sending their naval ships to protect you?

This Global Sumud flotilla is the largest humanitarian convoy in history to traverse the Mediterranean Sea, from Barcelona to Tunis to Sicily to here in Crete and onward to Gaza, with a mission that's very simple but very urgent, which is to break the siege and to establish a permanent humanitarian corridor at sea to deliver critical aid to the starving people of Palestine.

Uh, it is not an exaggeration, Amy, to say that this, uh, unprecedented mission, uh, whose vessels number greater than the sum of all previous efforts from 2008 forward, uh, of Freedom Flotilla and its affiliates to try to reach Gaza, has faced bureaucratic sabotage, has suffered from drone attacks in the Port of Tunis when we were on the boats and we were attacked with incendiary devices.

But most terrifyingly, just here at sea before we entered, uh, near to Crete was two nights ago, when for several hours, there were, uh, bombardments.

I mean, you have to imagine under the cover of darkness, we can't see these drones.

We can hear them, but there's no lights on them.

And all we can hear are the sounds of explosions.

So David Adler, just before we finish, if you could say what exactly are you carrying, uh, on the ship to Gaza and what are you calling for now?