Can I ask what is probably an annoying question? What is it about Richmond that unsettles you as a team so much? So even when they haven't had a lot of AFL-listed players in their side, they've come very close and that's two close games you've played out with them this year so far.

Oh, their work rate and effort is a standout.

I've just been coding the game this morning and some of their transition from contest to contest is really good.

And they get numbers around the footy and they do make it really hard.

And they get numbers... to run back hard in their in their back 50 to be able to make it hard for our forwards to be able to get 1v1 and and mark the football so they work really hard they don't make it easy and they pressure and you play against a team like that it's going to be a hard day no matter who it is not only just Richmond but if you look at the competition as a whole right now Geelong are obviously outstanding and And they're leading the charge, only having lost the one game.

But outside of that, it's really, really even.

We come up against Essendon this week and I had a look at their result against Coburg on the weekend, the team that they've got in at the moment.

Is that just because you love them so much you wanted them in your team and you didn't want anyone else to touch them?