Okay

... those three old people, they felt cheap at first until you kinda learn, okay, they fit into the context of this overarching story.

'Cause this is probably the first movie where we have like a...

I mean, yeah, you do, you've had human villains in previous ones, but this is the most like motivated villain with like a voice.

He wants to be alive again.

He's dead.

He was a cult leader, and he speaks.

Yeah.