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So the, uh, the ...

And that's based on, you know, um, life, that when you lose someone other people kind of have different perspectives on who that person was.

Um, and someone that you can experience in one way, it can be very different to another person, especially someone they're romantically pursuing is gonna be very different than the sibling relationship.

Um, so how do you reconcile those differences? Um, do you need to reconcile them? Can they both, can they both be, um, they don't have to be, you know, whatever, mutually exclusive, that they can kind of land somewhere in the middle of, um, these different, uh, different perspectives.

That was kind of the goal for, like Swimmers.

Blurry, the other people ...

Okay.

But, you know, tell me about your Lichtenstein.

Yeah, my I mean, first, it's kind of funny because it felt like.

an obvious thing to do.

Like I, I really have a character kind of say the things that a cartoonist would say about Lichtenstein that I feel are absolutely true.

But unlike a lot of cartoonists, I also really like Lichtenstein.

I like him a lot.

I liked him kind of as soon as I saw it, whatever, as a kid.

Can you talk a little about the, you know, working with New York Review as a publisher?