What, what is the Black Caps brand, then? Is it, is it just that, that, that f- that fight?

Yeah, look, we're, we're a small country down the bottom of the earth, and it's something that I guess we pride ourselves on is that, yeah, we just, we get stuck into whatever's needed to be done and, and try and get the job done.

Um, sometimes it's being pretty and sometimes it's getting dirty and, and doing the little things really well.

So yeah, just really proud of this group.

I think the way everyone's stepped up at different parts of the series as well as a squad is, is really cool to see.

Do you feel that as players or not? Are you constantly having to fight for test cricket in New Zealand?

Uh, look, for us, it's probably for people more powerful than us as players to decide.

But for us, we just, we love playing for our country.

Right.

So he got past that, but my nephew, soon as I got out the car, pulled up on the bike and took the helmet off.

"Yo, Unc, come on, man." And I was like, "Look, hold the helmet, man.

I ain't going far.

I'm just gonna go up the road.

Let me see how I feel and come back." And I went up the road that way on the island, which is Wassa, and I went up, went around the bend, and I came back.

Now what happens when you get a spring tide, the water, salt water washes over the road, like literally over it.

Yeah

What was the wicket like, Des? Jake Horan was on with Millsy and Lashes yesterday saying that he was happy he wasn't going to have to bowl on it because it looked hard and it looked flat.

Yeah, look, there, as you can imagine, not a hell of a lot of grass on there, and it was pretty...

It was pretty low and slow.

So, yeah, look, I think the way we, you know, I guess, put the stumps in play as a bowling unit.

And then, you know, we kept trying to score.

with the bat and keep trying to, yeah, I guess build partnerships and keep finding ways to put pressure on them.

So, yeah, really pleasing on, which is a very foreign wicket to what we are used to as Kiwis, that's for sure.

What did you make of his performance? Have you played much against him? He looks like he bowls quite quick for a left-arm spinner.

What was the wicket like, Des? Jake Horan was on with Millsy and Lashes yesterday saying that he was happy he wasn't going to have to bowl on it because it looked hard and it looked flat.

Yeah, look, there, as you can imagine, not a hell of a lot of grass on there, and it was pretty...

It was pretty low and slow.

So, yeah, look, I think the way we, you know, I guess brought the stumps in play as a bowling unit.

And then, you know, we kept trying to score.

with the bat and keep trying to, yeah, I guess build partnerships and keep finding ways to put pressure on them.

So, yeah, really pleasing on, which is a very foreign wicket to what we are used to as Kiwis, that's for sure.

What did you make of his performance? Have you played much against him? He looks like he bowls quite quick for a left-arm spinner.

How is that progressing and what is your prognosis? We know you won't be in action tomorrow and your beloved Hamilton, but test match, test match one, is that looking likely?

Yeah, look, that's the aim.

That's the goal.

I guess it's always niggly when you pick up little niggles.

And, yeah, the groin, obviously, I was batting on one leg at the end there.

But, yeah, hopefully that will be right for that first test.

And the good thing about being able to park up at first slip and fielding as well is you don't have to do as much running as a T20 at long on.

How have you found that transition? Has it been a case of pretty much business as usual, or have there been some really interesting changes in the dynamic in the team?

How is that progressing and what is your prognosis? We know you won't be in action tomorrow and your beloved Hamilton, but test match, test match one, is that looking likely?

Yeah, look, that's the aim.

That's the goal.

I guess it's always niggly when you pick up little niggles.

And yeah, the groin, obviously, I was batting on one leg at the end there.

But yeah, hopefully that'll be right for that first test.

And good thing about being able to park up at first slip and fielding as well is you don't have to do as much running as a T20 at long on.

How have you found that transition? Has it been a case of pretty much business as usual? Or have there been some really interesting changes in the dynamic in the team?