or doing any of that crap because it

doesn't actually help anything.

I don't know, man.

I'm not going to name drop it all, but we had some pretty big people in the indie world come to our show and the sort of person who could snip out amateurishness and really pick something apart.

They were all really entertained.

So, I mean, I don't know.

I just think all this drill sergeant crap, I don't think it's...

yes