Dannevirke

Yeah, yeah.

And for example, Tararua, around Dannevirke, there is a medical center there that had to be shut down because of massive staff turnover.

There are large parts of New Zealand where now where you cannot get treatment, for example, for some of the, you know, more serious-

Mm-hmm

To see how these people are suddenly thrust into the public eye, you know, whether they do something bad or they, you know, the, the storyline requires that they, you know, s- something makes them kind of hated by the nation.

I mean, and, and fame's been doing that forever, right? Like, it's not peculiar to reality TV, but there's something about how quickly it happens that you go from being just a, an ordinary citizen of Dannevirke or something, and then you're suddenly, like, would have the name recognition of a 50-test All Black.

So for every Arden and Matilda, there are a lot more people who, you know, feel a little bit broken by the experience.

I have definitely gone through a journey as to how I felt [laughs] about being on a reality show.

It's good to have you

... from Dannevirke, New Zealand.

[laughs]

[laughs] It's good to have you.

Oh, wow.

Now Phil, in an interview that he did in 19, uh, 19, uh, 99 with, uh, with Warren Barton who used to be a senior reporter with the Dominion, but he cut his teeth here in the local newspaper as a younger man- Yeah ...

in Dannevirke, and so he knew Phil and, um, Phil agreed to an interview with him that year.

And Warren, when we did the, um, when we did the biography, Warren couldn't find the old Dictaphone tapes, but he shifted house and d- rediscovered them about three years later, and he brought them to me.

So that's six providers who do not provide the majority of care in this country.

Um, 60% of the care beds in this country are provided by charities, not-for-profits, and small owner-operators in towns like Eketahuna and Dannevirke, and so on and so forth.

So the only people that they could be talking about would be the listed companies, and those companies have quite a profitable business which is not aged care.

Mm.

Right.

But I can tell you, they're not making a profit.

So, and, and they are the ones that are just, you know, they might have 20 beds, um, they might have some rest home level, some hospital level, a small little dementia wing, as I say, in places like Dannevirke and Eketahuna.

They are not making masses of profit.

Uh, anyway, um-

Well, I think it goes back, I think that goes back to the, uh, the days of that, um, one of New Zealand's finest exports, Jode Bielski Petersen, who, uh, is a croc, or was a croc, who was born in Dannevirke and became the Premier of Queensland.

And, um, of the many, uh, misadventures he, he caused that, uh, great state, one of them was not to, uh, move to daylight saving.

Well, it's a classic example of what Muldoon said about Kiwis migrating to Australia and raising the IQ on both sides of the Tasman.

Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith says the changes are about ensuring references to the principles of the treaty are clear and consistent.

Health New Zealand is undertaking another audit at Dannevirke Hospital in the North Island, only months after the last one.

Staff at nearby clinics said they would not refer patients to Dannevirke because they did not have confidence in the delivery of safe services.

Health New Zealand's Jeff Gwynne, who's the central region's director of planning, funding, and outcomes, says he's not aware of any complaints.