Danish Refugee Council

And so we've had just starting with multilateral organizations such as the World Bank or UN agencies like UNDP and UNHCR and IOM have been very supportive of some of the work we've been doing and have been extremely helpful.

We've also worked with many NGOs, as I mentioned, some of the NGOs like the Norwegian Refugee Council, the Danish Refugee Council, the International Rescue Committee, others that we've been collaborating with.

We've collaborated with universities, so we have a great partnership.

with Strathmore University in Kenya, and they have a forced migration and displacement research hub that has done a lot of policy work and work on legal frameworks around the rights of refugees and displaced people across East Africa.

I'm curious what this could mean for displacement and migration, so I'm talking today with Alexander Kyrum.

Alexander is a global advisor and senior analyst at the Danish Refugee Council, where he focuses on predictive modeling and forecasting of forced displacement.

Alexander, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for coming on today.

So it is very different, the impacts from region to region.

I would say what is sort of then the commonality is, of course, that where those impacts will be most felt are in the countries that are poor and fragile and therefore also least able to cope with these extreme weather conditions.

And so I guess what does that mean then for human mobility and displacement? What kind of impacts are we talking about? The Danish Refugee Council, where you work, recently published a report focusing on East Africa, predicting that in a worst case scenario, as many as 3 million people could be forced to flee their homes because of El Nino related extreme rains and flooding in that region.

As you note, East Africa is a far way away from the Pacific.

Now, a super El Niño in the Pacific Ocean could lead to serious floods.

Philip Lozinski of the Danish Refugee Council says they're working with the Somali government to prepare evacuation sites.

That's more or less what we can do because I have to say that, uh, we are having much less resources than we require, uh, for our planning and, and this is nowhere near to, to the needs that we see, uh, at the moment.

The US suspended all aid to Somalia in January.

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Hundreds of thousands of people, mostly from Somalia, live in Dadaab, a refugee camp in northern Kenya.

Line Huhn of the Danish Refugee Council says the agency is now preparing evacuation routes and helping farmers build flood-resistant storage for seeds and animal feed.

People have already fled once, mostly from conflict, and a flood is a shock that they simply can't absorb.

Tens of thousands of people in Dadaab were displaced by floods during the last El Niño in twenty twenty-three.