Daniela Amodei

Everyone's coming together at Dario's house.

Brockman gives a toast at Daniela's wedding, and it's just, it's just very interesting.

And I think the thing that struck me the most is, yes, we might be building these amazing AI, like, super intelligent models, but at the end of the day, there's all this, like, human friction and human messiness-

Totally

It's a little circle.

M-many of them lived in the same house.

I mean, th-this is one of the other things I was writing about in the book, is, like, Dario Amodei used to share a house, a group house, in San Francisco with his sister, Daniela Amodei, now president of Anthropic, with Paul Christiano, early AI safety pioneer, uh, who now is on the board of OpenAI, Chris Olah, who leads interpretability at Anthropic.

All these people worked and, in some cases, lived together not that long ago and have since sort of splintered out and done their own things and are now competing with each other.

Look at the talent acquisition strategy.

When Dario and Daniela Amodei left to start Anthropic, that was portrayed as a blow to OpenAI.

But Altman immediately hired researchers from Google Brain, DeepMind, and academic labs who wanted to work on products, not just papers.

He positioned OpenAI as the place where research becomes reality.

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but his sister, who's actually the real force behind that, Daniela.

And the question is, how can you figure out how to keep it safe, how to have guardrails when you also have the pressure of the market? And therefore, they haven't yet done their IPO.

On the other hand, you need the huge amounts of capital-

Uh, uh, Mustafa Suleyman writes and says, "No, these are just, uh, imitation engines.

They, they train on trillions of pieces of human text, and then they imitate humans," whereas at Anthropic, Dario and Daniela Amodei and the philosopher there, Amanda Askell, are saying, "Maybe we have to get our heads around that this is like human consciousness and maybe undistinguish- indistinguishable from human consciousness."

Well, the phone lines are lighting up-

Oh, dear

The pitch is still the same, not a chatbot, an artificial general engineer that designs chips, jet engines, and drugs trained on physics and experimental data rather than internet text.

Dario and Daniela Amodei, Anthropic.

Anthropic filed confidentially for an IPO, first among the frontier labs, which surprised people given OpenAI's head start after a sixty-five billion dollars round in May pushed its valuation to nine hundred sixty-five billion dollars, edging past OpenAI for the first time.

It's targeting a listing this fall, possibly this month, with revenue run rate having gone from nine billion dollars to forty-seven billion dollars in under half a year.