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Do you still believe that Nigel Farage has it? He was talking yesterday about re-galvanising the voter base.

I mean, I got Dan Hodges on next.

Dan will say quite categorically, the bubble has burst and reform is done.

What would you say to that, Suella?

Question for you.

And I love the passion.

Do you believe, as many people do, Dan Hodges will tell me next, this isn't true.

I believe this to be true, that there are, I'm going to say millions, but masses, hundreds of thousands of silent voters who, for whatever reason, I don't know, The Reform Party is seen as polarising.

And I wonder, do you think, as appears to be a view pretty prevalent within the chattering class, that Andy Burnham is planning for a snap general election, most likely in May of next year, which is not far away, I suppose.

And could that catch out Farage and Badenoch? Could it actually end up delivering a majority Labour government for five more years? Could that be the case? Well, that's what the commentator Dan Hodges is saying.

Now, I don't like Dan Hodges.

I don't trust Dan Hodges.

I've got little good to say about him.

But he does make the occasional fair point in the same way as a stop clock is right at least twice a day.

But just look at the collapse in the Green vote.

Where are those Green voters going? They're going back to Labour.

Well, we do sometimes agree.

Dan Hodges.

Oh, I've dropped my microphone now.

Dan, good morning.

Is it...

I mean, it's taken four years... climate activists have found every law that they could in the European Union to make sure it didn't happen.

Is this just a precursor to an early election to pat a few people on the back, or do you think they genuinely mean it, Dan Hodges?

Well, I think two things.

Ellie Hodges.

The lefty Dan Hodges threatened to cancel her.

Oh, sorry.

The lefty Dan Hodges threatened to cancel her.

Did he? [laughs] Oh, Dan Hodges.

Glenda Jackson's boy, nepo-baby, huh? Born with a whole canteen of cutlery in his mouth.

Yeah, I'd like a general election, because they keep telling me that reform are finished.

That Dan Hodges, right? Face, baseball bat, metaphorically thinking, yeah? But he's busy telling everyone that it's all over for reform and for Farage and this documentary is going to bring him down.

That wasn't bringing anyone down.

It was pathetic.

But it's weirdly the independent Muslim pro-Gaza MPs that the likes of NatCon despises, that I also despise and don't think should be in the country, let alone parliament.

Because you've got Dan Hodges, like arch-liberal, work with hope, not hate, member of the Labour Party, son of a Labour MP.

said, some reform supporters complaining about me equating Greens and reforms toxicity this morning.

The Green Zionism motion is racist.

So she hasn't got the British people and their interests and their attachment to their country in mind.

So she isn't eligible to be prime minister.

And Dan Hodges defines ethno-nationalism as Suella Braveman saying she's not English, she's Indian.

Which is evident to anyone with a working pair of eyes, including Suella Braveman herself.

They will hear people say, for example, in Kemi Badenoch's speech when she talk about how dare people say that my Black children can't be perceived as English, and Restore Britain supporters say, "Well, how are you trying to, you know, say that y- you, people have the right to self-determination in Israel, but English people, you Anglo-Saxon descendants can't have that same level of self-determination in England on the Gr- on the basis of being an English nation state, a nation state of ethnic English people?" And from our perspective as anti-racists, we can see the comparisons between those two ethno-nationalisms and liberals just can't.

Like Dan Hodges was explicitly saying, "I can't believe people are trying to compare my criticism of Reform for being ethno-nationalist with the Greens for being anti-Semitic." And I'm like, but from our ideological perspective, those two things are one and the same.

It's a very kind of untangling of the liberal Zionist notions of y- the, the nature of nationalism in, in both of these countries.

And so from our perspective, it seems incredibly rational to view an ethno-nationalist ideology in our minds, such as Zionism, as being one of racism.

Let's go and say a very good morning to a man who I love coming on, because not only has he got an opinion, but people will either love him or hate him, and I can identify with that.

Dan Hodges, Mail on Sunday, Mail on, Mail on, just the Mail.

How are you, dear boy? I'm very well, how are you? All right.

Any suggestions? Anything wood I should buy my wife for my wedding anniversary?

Thank you so much indeed.

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Dan Hodges, commentator, Mail on Sunday.

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