Right.

And we can all agree that Israel... as it's currently constituted, which is to say anything that calls itself the Jewish state that has to be demographically Jewish, that is founded on the unrepented, unacknowledged, and doubled down on a million-fold Nakba of 1948, which inevitably creates the genocidal conditions in Gaza today, is not legitimate, has no right to exist.

No country has any right to exist, but certainly this one doesn't, and ought to be replaced with equality and freedom from the river to the sea.

Now, some people with Palestine flags in their bios don't even want to countenance a conversation where any Jews remain in that land.

I don't have much to say to them.

I think they're just living in some kind of fantasy land where one day like a bunch of boats will line up in the port of Eilat or Ashkelon or Tel Aviv or whatever Haifa and they'll have different European countries flags on them and like okay all the people of pure Lithuanian descent get on this boat and we're going to deport you back to there and then what are we going to do with the Jews from Arab countries I think you're living in a world where you want catharsis you don't actually want political change you don't want you know you could say you want revolution but even revolution has to deal with the facts on the ground and people are wish casting and people are on this this this fucking treadmill of of cathartic dopamine seeking that comes with extreme positions like you know anything israeli filmmakers make if they haven't denounced zionism and if they're if they don't call it a genocide you've all called it a war of extermination i mean six of one, half dozen of the other, for the purposes of a filmmaker speaking to Israelis.

Well, you shouldn't be speaking to Israelis.

label music endeavors that are finally having to face the music of like you are going to be asked these questions you do have to take a stand because when people in certain instances when you say nothing you are taking a stand and i just like wonder what your perspective is on that compared to other sort of apartheid or or injustice movements in the past where you've seen these sort of big cultural movements like what what you view this as and and in relation to that

Yeah.

But on my long road trip, I listened to things, you know, and I'd say about three out of every five Tucker episodes are non-insane, but two out of every five are completely bonkers.

I listened to one that was somewhere in between, and it was a guy who went actually, not undercover, but he's a Christian guy who did a deep investigative thing on the Christian church.

I mean, these are people who are concerned about it from the inside.

a deeply religious spiritual person who thinks that the spirit of christianity and the nature of american sovereignty are being attacked here and he talked about not just like the ideological capture but like the geofencing the hundreds of millions of dollars that israel concertedly puts into infiltrating uh and that's

want to set up this video?

Yeah, sure.

So Robbie Hoffman, who I don't really know Robbie's, you know, heart of hearts when it comes, when it's political.