Daniel Johnson Sr.

At the time of 1994, 95, I think that a lot of those valid reasons were forgotten.

So if I go back to the 60s when the independence movement was really coming online in Quebec, There was much more spiritual, moral vitality where people like Charles de Gaulle were being invited in as part of a broader vision by like-minded thinkers like the premier Daniel Johnson Sr., who was the premier of Quebec from 66 to 69.

He was also the father of many of the hydroelectric dam projects.

He had a very strong moral sense of his Christian faith tied to the good works that you do for the future, the economic development that you do, the type of...

He's like, I'd rather be able to have a Diefenbaker who...

He was Diefenbaker in the 50s.

He was Diefenbaker's lieutenant in Quebec, was Daniel Johnson Sr.

So you had this...