Dane Murray

It takes a while.

So the point being is, and so the impact of having those centre-back combination, and Dane Murray is similar.

Dane Murray is not a quick, laterally quick player.

is that this season Celtic have dropped back about three metres of defensive line on average.

So what does that mean? It means that you're not squeezing the game so high.

You know, what is going on there in terms of, you know, looking after players.

Why would you throw Carter Vickers in on the plastic pitch at Falkirk when he hasn't been playing for weeks? And then, you know, is anyone shocked when in the first two minutes he's not quick enough and gets robbed on halfway and then doesn't react to a cross coming into the box? I mean, these are self-harm issues.

Dane Murray, who has his limitations but actually grown into his role to such an extent that I had him as... man of the match in two of the last few games.

Yeah, and I just want to pick up on something you said, Kevin, about the centre-half position.

I remember the start of the season, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was Sean Maloney that said that Celtic are content with the centre-half position, and I remember saying on the show that that baffled me, because your best centre-half, who's been... terrific for Celtic it's Cameron Carter-Vickers and there's never been a guarantee that Cameron Carter-Vickers sorry can play 15 games in a row never mind complete a season so you're then relying on obviously the other three one of them is Dane Murray who has been hugely untested at 24 year old and the other two in trustee and Liam Scales Celtic fans have never been a fan of so I actually thought the centre half position was almost one of the priority positions going into the summer you're now left with that position and then just to follow on to what Marvin was saying in terms of Celtic off the ball that's actually why there's a clamour for Yang to come back and play it's because what he gives the team off the ball it's not even what he gives the team on the ball

see just quickly on that and don't be too clever after the event and then nitpick at everything but is there a case to say that actually now would have been the time to just keep Dan Murray in give him a bit of run of games Cameron Carter-Vickers is coming back Celtic never used even when he was in his pomp Celtic it feels like wouldn't risk him on the Astro but now this goes back to what we're saying where the next time when's Dan Murray going to come back in and Ibrook's away or something and then he'll have a tough day inevitably and then he'll be back until he's not good enough was this not the ideal chance to keep him in

yeah potentially even then it wouldn't change my opinion on Celtic needing a central defender but I completely take the point given that Cameron Carpenter has been injured he's getting rushed back to play on a surface that he's actually not being advised to play on for the last three, four seasons and he struggled.

That was a big, big decision by him.

And young Dane Murray, you know, has been playing well.

He's been doing OK.

So Dane Murray is... you know would he have made a difference when playing today Carter Vickers didn't look that comfortable on the pitch that might have been one question you would have on on it because Martin's the guy that's in charge of selecting the team um tactically I don't think he did did much wrong um from a point of view of getting that the only the only thing tactically for me is that I Definitely there's not enough penetration there for me.

You know, you have three midfielders.

They all want to get on the ball.