Like, you know, and to get it into distribution, how much of the phone was proprietary? Like how much of this phone did you build? Um, it was, I mean,

the way that phones work, like, you can get, like, it's much cheaper, so you don't have to make a mold and stuff to, like, use a phone that already has, like, a mold of some sort.

Then you can customize the parts that are, like, not customizable.

custom per se.

And so that's, we focused on one of those.

But then we had to go through the GMS process, which effectively is like Google certification of the device so that it could run like Google maps and all this stuff.

And there's all this experience.

really need to be a COLA?

how in the heck did you get into doing this business? You know, what, what decided I'm going to go into and become an entrepreneur?

Yeah.

To become an entrepreneur that, that started kind of as a, as a kid, you know, I was always, um, enterprising to say that.

So sometimes it would get me in trouble, whether that was early days Pokemon, which I find out that my Pokemon cons are worth a ton of money now.

My mom found them in a move.

But I used to deal those and resell these Charizards, which I wish I would have kept, because now they're probably worth like $50,000 a piece.

With the exception of those little high school, middle school hustles or whatever.

to turn this around and what was that experience like internally when you were going through that? It wasn't the hardest thing that

Oh.

And then again, I got in so much trouble 'cause then my mom's like, "Everyone's gonna think it's your dad's porn." I didn't even-- You don't even think about that.

That wasn't even in my brain.

So then I kinda just took a pause.

I guess I didn't, like, purposely do that, but that's how I would make money up until I was twelve.

And then I found out about working, the concept of working, when I started working at Polo store.

I was about fifteen, sixteen years old.

A rocket to Mars.

Right.

Um, and then we have the algorithm, so that's actually the software of how all of this works and operates.

And the third component that people are waking up to, right, is the data piece.

Without that, it would not work.

And so when we start thinking about things like robotics, when we start thinking about things like agents, right, which is essentially our kind of virtual agents that are going and doing these tasks, right, could be an operator, it could be a developer.

Um, you know, that's very nuanced.

But whether it's robotics, whether it's agents, you essentially will need more and more consumer data, and usually this is stuff that is very refined.

So for investors, uh, what's your advice for how to really take advantage and get ahead of investing in this area that's still very early in its, uh, growth story?

So million dollar question, how long do you expect this post IPO volatility to last?

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say.

I think the right way to look at this is where does the long term really lead us with Bitcoin? But just so we explain what the IPO moment is, I mean, typically what you're going to see is there's a sell-off that kind of happens when there's a big stock comes out.

You can see kind of Figma as an example.

There was a lot of hype in it.

Earlier this year, we had a tremendous amount of momentum with Bitcoin, especially what you're seeing with President Trump and how this administration has really favored Bitcoin and crypto.

Now, there's a lot of people that have been involved in Bitcoin.

And if Bitcoin is really on this path to becoming, of course, this digital gold, what hurdles do you think still need to be cleared and maybe the near to midterm here for that widespread adoption to really start to take hold?