Yeah.

And what level will they ever get it to the level that the betrayed partner needs it to be gotten? I mean, some do pretty good.

Some do not.

And how long does that take? These are the tricky questions.

I think that's why empathy is so important.

But sometimes there's, you know, sometimes I think of can't he or won't he? know sometimes sometimes the person has the capacity for empathy but they're just not really willing to do the work to full willing to to go into it and you know i heard a client talk about the the chasm that they had with the the depth of pain that their partner had and i and i asked how how good are you at a spelunking what's your spelunking skill level And he's like, I've only done it once.

And I was like, well, obviously I'm talking metaphorically.

yeah yeah all right any other thoughts you have on uh restitution empathy do you have any any groups that you do do anything you want to share well i just noticed you had afterbetrayalhealing.com on your on your tag there tell me a little bit about that