While in Sweden, Andrew catches up with Damien Phillips from POC, who not coincidentally happens to live in Sweden.

Once you've been here for a while, or any Sw- Swede you talk to, there's always this, this thing about lagom.

You might have heard that word a few times already, which is, which means just enough essentially.

It's a bit like, you know, the porridge, you know, just being perfect.

It, when it's just right, it's, it's lagom.

You know, it's, y- it's just enough, and you shouldn't need to do anything beyond that.

So sometime- it's a, sometimes it's a strange kind of, um, attitude to have maybe, but everybody believes that if you've got enough, that's enough.

Um-