Perfect.

So the very first step of building a tri-layer construct.

So this is the three main layers that we talk about.

This is the traditional way that we still actually often use today for devices that could be under 100 or 2000 units a year.

So the very first step is you need to get your mandrel and your mandrel is just stainless steel.

It's reusable in most cases, fortunately.

And first thing you might have to do is clean that.

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