And all of a sudden it just collapsed.

That was 15 years ago and I haven't come as close.

Like that was like as close being in rooms with high profile people and money people and like really feeling like this is about to happen.

That falling apart would be my biggest disappointment.

But going through something like that is really good.

I mean it thickens the skin in a way that I wish my skin had been that thick earlier.

It was a healthy thing to go through.

But