But do you think everybody has the ability to notice the signs?

Again, it's very much about allowing and enabling the signs, which comes from tuning in and acknowledgement of them.

Because I think a lot of the time people say, oh, I don't get anything.

But you'll say, oh, have you ever had this happen? And it's one of the first weeks of the training that I do with people is to say, have you ever had...

feather you know in an unusual place do you relate your loved one to anything i mean some people it's blackbirds butterflies are big for for me for for my family and have they ever been around you when you've needed some comfort do you suddenly realize how you need to do something or where something is as though it just drops into your head because with with psychic messages they like drop in if you're thinking about it you're thinking about it but if you're not thinking about it and an idea or something just comes into your head then where's it coming from yeah because if you're not thinking about it it's it's coming in from somewhere else so many people i speak to have conversations with their person or their loved one all the time they'll say oh i'll say but you know you speak to them oh yes i'm constantly asking and things and i said well do you ever get responses and they'll say oh yes but it's me responding but are you sure yes but it's my voice in my head but it can't really necessarily be their voice it's likely that it will be your voice but did you think it or did it just come in quickly was it your words or words that you wouldn't use so sometimes I think we miss it because we expect it to be a big white feather that floats down and it's come off a swan you know and it floats down right in front of us and lands in our path That isn't how it works.

They're subtle.

Yeah.

But those things, you see,

what's been your biggest challenge so far?

Being one person, having lots of hats, because when obviously we work one to one with people, we're constantly trading time for money.

And we're also trying to do the marketing.

We're trying to network.

We're trying to do everything else.

And because we're business women, and most of us have more than one business on the go, various streams, I found that I got to the point that I was at absolute burnout.

And it was, how can I carry on? And what do I need to drop a bit? Like Jodie was just saying, and how do I actually refocus what I'm doing? And that did mean letting go of some of the things that I enjoyed, but really weren't giving me the return.

So the summer, what does the summer look like for you, Dale? Is it that you're going to take the summer off or are you going to take some of it off? Have you got a strategy in place for the summer? What does your summer look like?

And we were taught, and you said the two words, you said to your daughter, I don't know where they've come from, but actually what you've just said encapsulates all of that because where do you think they've come from?

Well, absolutely.

I mean, I'm working as a psychic medium and I'm completely tuning into the universe and believing that everything I do is about being in service of people.

And so I'm obviously opening up to that.

But Tracy, that was a huge risk.

I mean, I'd finished doing a project working on an end of life book for children called Tark the Robot.

Tark is a robot called Tark the Robot.

So who, like, do you help money, sorry, do you help people? Like, do people ever go away with, like, not just a money mindset, just a better mindset in general? Is that kind of, like, how you help?

And

then.

I think at this point I ended up, well, I'd spoken to a builder.

I'm just trying to remember.

I mean, we are talking over 25 years ago.

Yeah, it's a long time.

One of the houses about organising the phone number for this lady.

It's hard, isn't it?