D. E. Shaw & Co.

And that's obviously just astounding.

It's really showing just the amount of adoption that these... tools are getting and it's really fascinating too because uh like it's an investor and and um somebody who is trying to understand where the world is moving i saw a lot of similarities between like what jeff bezos was doing when he was at de shaw and saw the internet grow i think it was 2300 times um year over year, which doesn't necessarily happen.

And that's something that's free to use for any individual.

Whereas, you know, obviously tokens on open router have a cost associated with them.

And this is really nice because you have a company and this one, like you said, for the funds, it's really small for funds like this.

But DE Shaw, the big US, maybe quant edge funds or slash, they have 50 million US in it.

yeah i mean despite being probably one of the top performers in the multi-manager space they don't get as much headlines as citadel or millennium or anything like that but they are

it's the same guys yeah and i mean 50 million us position it's small for them but depending of like which part it is inside the shop it could be bigger than it looks but i think it's Because they could have like 200 stocks, but if they choose that one, maybe I always check and think like this.

And then going back to when we started Phlox, I think it was very important for us to kind of provide a golden path.

there's a lot you can do with nix and you can like i mentioned those escape hatches but the flocks and nix internal teams a lot of like the core nix folks are helping us build flocks are actually designing and continuously optimizing that golden pass so when you're doing nix you don't have to necessarily choose one out of 20 options you know we tell you hey for what you're doing there's two really good options here's the one that you think we think you should be doing but here are some other options if you really want to unpack that right um so that's kind of the historic design of it um and then you ask kind of more tactically so we've been working with a lot of customers now for for a while right like the more public ones is like nvidia um a lot of ai labs and firms uh you know financials and what we've built up ever since this project started inside of de shaw was that multiplayer nix enterprise nix at scale product and platform that continuously evolves on top of Nix.

So for instance, you saw some of it today, right? Like the Phlox catalog design, how we're managing the superset of the last three years of Nix packages and serving it up instantly and also pre-testing it for you so you get value immediately and you don't have any eval time inside of Phlox.

We've built out mechanisms that allow this to go multiplayer.