Cus D'Amato

He's very young.

He's with D'Amato.

Um, so, so Sugar, so Sugar Ray fights in Worcester May of '84.

He shows up, um, he shows up i- i- in, in, uh, Brockton to kind of just do his shit and kind of fuck around with Hagler a little bit before the fight, which is really weird.

No, no, I don't wanna talk about the fight.

I'm talking about what Cus D'Amato, the coach, made Mike Tyson, how a short guy fight with the, the bigger guy, and they beat them, they stop them.

So that was...

You, you, you can't see nobody today do what Mike do.

... a punch.

Yeah, the coach was amazing.

I don't know where he come from, this coach, but I, I, I love to see some more coaches like that, like, uh, like Cus D'Amato.

They don't make coaches like that.

You need someone on your side, and he never had that.

There was one guy who was in his corner, and that was his first trainer, Cus D'Amato, and Cus D'Amato died when he was-

That's right

... 19 or 20.

You would love it.

Charlie, I, I'm gonna make a promise to you that if you do this, I, I will be like Cus D'Amato with Mike Tyson and I'll be in the car behind you-

[laughs]

... bumping the front fender [laughs] against the back of your legs.

So he always been the person like to fill that void, like tell me stuff about like fitness, but also tell me stuff about life because it's like he's seen a lot in me.

So I feel like with me and him, for our relationship, it's kind of like, Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato, you know? Pulling

up the Mike Tyson.

I like it.

But in a entertainment value-wise, you gotta know people don't wanna watch that.

It's like when Cus D'Amato would tell Mike Tyson, like, "Yeah, you can be the best heavyweight in the world, but you have to be exciting, otherwise people aren't gonna pay to watch you." I get that.

You know, it's tough, but, uh, until somebody beats him in the UFC other than Ian Garry, like, you know, you gotta keep him around.

And then if you wanna cut him after one loss, that's what the, what do you, you mean? The UFC can do whatever they want, so do that then.

I had somebody I loved, and they loved me.

Now, here Theo could ask him something like, what made Cuss a good mentor, or what did Cuss teach you? But look at what he says instead.

How'd you know that he loved you?

Oh, fuck.

You know, he went to prison when he was a kid ju- you know, juvenile prison.

Cus D'Amato got him out of prison, took him under his wing, and then he, then he had, then he was, then he was, he had a silver spoon in his mouth then, so it's a big change for him.

Um, and at the end of it all, he just couldn't, he couldn't handle it.

He, he didn't handle it.